John Tost

About John Tost

A Washington State native, former Police Officer in the Puget Sound area, Worked as a Patrol Officer/Investigator and a Traffic / DUI emphasis patrol officer, Certified Washington State CJTC Motorcycle Traffic Officer. Have been involved in Law Enforcement and Protection/Security for over 30 years. Licensed Private Pilot and currently persuing a degree in Aviation with emphasis in ariel photography and surveilance.

IVIPs bill signed by Govenor Jay Inslee

Greeting the Governor

Greeting the Governor

Greetings fellow Investigators, Finally we have a signed bill for the efforts involving the IVIPs issue. It has been a great experience to under go this process and learning the way  here in Washington by which a bill is successfully turned into law. There are numerous steps by which to accomplish this and there are more ways to kill a bill than there are by which to get one passed. It is with great thanks to our lobbyist, Grant Nelson, of True North Public affairs for helping us with this process. Without him by our side we would not be successful.

This issue came to my attention in a WALI board meeting where several WALI members has initiated action in an attempt to change the issue at hand. Their attempts have not gone unnoticed but were not successful in their legislative session attempts. It takes a lot of time away from ones regular working schedule to babysit a bill issue.  I approached the PNAI board with the question of what do we want to do about this and is it important enough of an issue to take the time to work on this. It was voted that PNAI would pick up the efforts to initiate Legislation action as part of our bylaws in providing a service to its membership and to continue an ongoing Legislative effort as WALI was not going to pursue further Legislation action at this time but concentrate on Education and Seminars.

It was  recommended to me by AWB, Association of Washington Business, that Grant Nelson would be a great choice for a lobbyist as he recently left AWB to start his own company after about 20 years with AWB. True North Public Affairs. I contacted Grant and he made a presentation to PNAI and the board accepted. I then signed a contract with Grant Nelson on behalf of PNAI as its then Vice President. I have spent a great deal of time with Grant in Olympia for the past two years, putting in my own time meeting with other lobbyists’ and Senators and Representatives talking about our specific issue, there have been many e-mails and phone conversations with Grant on a weekly and daily basis during the regular legislation sessions and special sessions. We have spoken to many different organization’s who have expressed interest in our bill efforts. The main stake holder in the disclosure issue was the Domestic violence and sexual assault victims advocates. Up to this point no one had spoke to them and asked about their concerns. We invited them into discussion and talked with Lonnie Johns Brown, Pam Crown and many others to hear their concerns. They were initially against any bill changes and they have a very powerful influence in Olympia when it comes to these issues. In further discussion the following year we were finally able to come to some language that was agreeable to both parties but it was vary clear in the beginning that getting rid of the notification all together was something that was not going to happen.

Many PIs have asked me why we could not get rid of the notification all together and this is why, for now. We can revisit this issue in the future and attempt to do so but for now this is the best we can get. Everyone involved around Olympia seems to be very happy with the results of the language and the fact that we were able to communicate and cooperate together to come up with a solution for a successful passage of our bill efforts. I look forward to continuing conversations with those advocates in the future to work with them and continue to build a positive relationship there for any future improvement efforts.

DOL has asked for extra time to initiate changes to their system therefore the bill does not take effect until January 1 2014. I discovered why. DOL and DOR are getting a new database computer system. This new system will allow them to share information such as our insurance certificates and license information. The delay would allow implementation of the changes in the new system and not cause a further cost of programming twice.

Now, I would like to say that I am excited to be “all in”, with this process and getting the bill successfully passed is quite an accomplishment. although some may not view this as a success because we did not eliminate the notification all together, but come on we are professionals here, if accessing this information would compromise and investigation then don’t use it. Be smart. I am also disappointed in the lack of response from members of PNAI and WALI as we continued to send out notifications, post cards, e-mails and list serve updates not only to association members but to all Licenses PIs in Washing State almost 1000 licensed PIs total and the Attorneys around Pierce and King Counties. The efforts from last year and this year cost over $20,000.00. The costs last year were covered by donations sent in from various members and non members but this year there have been very few financial contributions despite the asking. Maybe due to lack of information in the process but too much information put out too soon could of easily killed our efforts in Olympia as well. I trust that you all trusted my efforts in doing the right thing working on the bill as well as listening to our Lobbyist experienced suggestions. I am still working with a couple of Law Firms who have promised to make donations and to get their fellow association members to donate as well, It is a team effort here to raise funds. I would ask, now that we have success, maybe some of you are inclined to donate financially as we still have a bill to pay to the lobbyist. PNAI has covered the expense so far but we still need help. So each of you may ask your Attorney clients or Attorney friends to donate as well as this has opened a useful tool for them to. Thank you to all who have contributed last year and this year and for the continued support.

It is my goal to continue to provide a service to our members and to the PI profession and to grow the membership in PNAI. There are almost 1000 licensed PIs in Washington State but only about 250 of them are members of a professional organization.  I would encourage our members to pass along invitations to those who are not PNAI members to also join PNAI as well as WALI. I believe both professional organization’s can provide a valuable contribution to your business. PNAI will continue working to improve the professional image in the PI industry, Some topics that are being discussed are Licensing reciprocity with other states, a requirement for continuing education credits to accomplish this, ongoing training requirements for licensing, State issued photo Identification for PIs among a few things. Some of you may not agree with these topics but PNAI will put it up for discussion and vote of its members as to which is most important and which topics to be discussed. Some issues can be dealt with administratively with DOL and some may require a legislation effort but either way it is a reason to grow in membership as well and to continue our efforts. It all cost money as we know. Thanks you everyone for a successful Legislation session !Ready to sign SB 5182

Signing the Bill

Signing the Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Signing pen to be given to Senator Carrell who could not be at the bill signing ceremony

Signing pen to be given to Senator Carrell who could not be at the bill signing ceremony

 

 

 

SB 5182 Success !

! SUCCESS !  HB 5182

To; Dear fellow PI’s

From;  John M Tost ; President  PNAI

Many of you may have not realized that in my last e-mail update I stated that out bill had passed the House 96-1, this was really the last stop on a long journey, but what did that mean.

Below is a screen shot of the bill history, I have been working very hard with Grant Nelson our lobbyist, and have taken several trips to Olympia, testifying in hearings and talking to different legislators, many conversations happened along with many scares of the bill dying to get us this far, and we have now successfully passed the bill into Law.

SB 5182 is now waiting for the Governors’ signature !!!

What this means is that we have successfully changed the IVIPs Disclosure law requirement regarding the disclosure of information to the registered owner when accessing the IVIPs system for Attorneys and PIs.

PNAI still needs your financial support now that we have successfully passed the bill, between last year and this year the cost of the lobbyist is still due. We still have a balance to pay for his services this year. Thank you to all who have contributed so far to reach our success.

I am enclosing a copy of the bill so that you can read the changes. What we have done here is made a name for the PI industry in Olympia so that any future efforts we take on there will not be the “who are these guys” newbie reaction. Now that we have success it should be a bit easier in the future with any other requests depending on the nature of the request.

I thank you all for your support and hope that we can continue efforts to make things better for our industry.

 

History of the Billas of Friday, April 26, 2013 4:15 PM
Sponsors: Senators Carrell,   Harper, King, Chase, Smith, Eide, Hobbs, Schlicher
Companion Bill: HB 1308
2013 REGULAR SESSION
Jan 22 First reading, referred to Transportation. (View Original Bill)
Feb 7 Public hearing in the Senate   Committee on Transportation at 3:30 PM.   (Committee Materials)
Feb 19 Executive action taken in the   Senate Committee on Transportation at 3:30 PM.   (Committee Materials)
Feb 20 TRAN – Majority; 1st substitute   bill be substituted, do pass.   (View 1st Substitute)   (Majority Report)
Passed to Rules Committee for   second reading.
Feb 27 Made eligible to be placed on   second reading.
Mar 5 Placed on second reading by Rules   Committee.
Mar 7 1st substitute bill substituted   (TRAN 13). (View 1st Substitute)
Rules suspended. Placed on Third   Reading.
Third reading, passed; yeas, 46;   nays, 1; absent, 0; excused, 2.   (View Roll Calls)
IN THE HOUSE
Mar 9 First reading, referred to   Judiciary (Not Officially read and referred until adoption of Introduction   report).
Mar 20 Public hearing in the House   Committee on Judiciary at 8:00 AM.   (Committee Materials)
Mar 27 Executive action taken in the   House Committee on Judiciary at 8:00 AM.   (Committee Materials)
JUDI – Executive action taken by   committee.
JUDI – Majority; do pass. (Majority Report)
Mar 29 Referred to Transportation.
Apr 1 Public hearing in the House   Committee on Transportation at 3:30 PM.   (Committee Materials)
Apr 2 Executive action taken in the   House Committee on Transportation at 3:30 PM.   (Committee Materials)
TR – Executive action taken by   committee.
TR – Majority; do pass. (Majority Report)
Apr 3 Passed to Rules Committee for   second reading.
Apr 10 Placed on second reading by Rules   Committee.
Apr 17 Rules suspended. Placed on Third   Reading.
Third reading, passed; yeas, 96;   nays, 1; absent, 0; excused, 1.   (View Roll Calls)
IN THE SENATE
Apr 18 President signed.
IN THE HOUSE
Speaker signed.
OTHER THAN LEGISLATIVE ACTION
Apr 23 Delivered to Governor. (View Bill as Passed Legislature

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CERTIFICATION OF   ENROLLMENT

SUBSTITUTE SENATE BILL 5182

63rd Legislature

2013 Regular Session

Passed by the Senate March   7, 2013

YEAS 46 NAYS 1

President of the Senate

Passed by the House April   17, 2013

YEAS 96 NAYS 1

Speaker of the House of   Representatives

CERTIFICATE

I, Hunter G. Goodman,   Secretary of

the Senate of the State of

Washington, do hereby   certify that

the attached is SUBSTITUTE   SENATE

BILL 5182 as passed by the Senate

and the House of   Representatives on

the dates hereon set   forth.

Secretary

Approved

Governor of the State of   Washington

FILED

Secretary of State

State of Washington

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SUBSTITUTE SENATE BILL   5182

_____________________________________________

Passed Legislature – 2013   Regular Session

State of Washington 63rd   Legislature 2013 Regular Session

By Senate Transportation   (originally sponsored by Senators Carrell,

Harper, King, Chase,   Smith, Eide, Hobbs, and Schlicher)

READ FIRST TIME 02/20/13.

1 AN ACT Relating to the   disclosure of vehicle owner information;

2 reenacting and amending   RCW 46.12.635; and providing an effective date.

3 BE IT ENACTED BY THE   LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:

4 Sec. 1. RCW   46.12.635 and 2005 c 340 s 2 and 2005 c 274 s 304 are

5 each reenacted and   amended to read as follows:

6 (1) Notwithstanding the   provisions of chapter 42.56 RCW, the name

7 or address of an   individual vehicle owner shall not be released by the

8 department, county   auditor, or agency or firm authorized by the

9 department except under   the following circumstances:

10 (a) The requesting party   is a business entity that requests the

11 information for use in   the course of business;

12 (b) The request is a   written request that is signed by the person

13 requesting disclosure   that contains the full legal name and address of

14 the requesting party,   that specifies the purpose for which the

15 information will be   used; and

16 (c) The requesting   party enters into a disclosure agreement with

17 the department in which   the party promises that the party will use the

18 information only for   the purpose stated in the request for the

19 information; and that   the party does not intend to use, or facilitate

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1 the use of, the   information for the purpose of making any unsolicited

2 business contact with a   person named in the disclosed information. The

3 term “unsolicited   business contact” means a contact that is intended to

4 result in, or promote,   the sale of any goods or services to a person

5 named in the disclosed   information. The term does not apply to

6 situations where the   requesting party and such person have been

7 involved in a business   transaction prior to the date of the disclosure

8 request and where the   request is made in connection with the

9 transaction.

10 (2) Where both a   mailing address and residence address are recorded

11 on the vehicle record   and are different, only the mailing address will

12 be disclosed. Both   addresses will be disclosed in response to requests

13 for disclosure from   courts, law enforcement agencies, or government

14 entities with   enforcement, investigative, or taxing authority and only

15 for use in the normal   course of conducting their business.

16 (3) The disclosing   entity shall retain the request for disclosure

17 for three years.

18 (4)(a) Whenever the   disclosing entity grants a request for

19 information under this   section by an attorney or private investigator,

20 the disclosing entity   shall provide notice to the vehicle owner, to

21 whom the information   applies, that the request has been granted. ((The

22 notice also shall   contain the name and address of the requesting

23 party.)) The notice   must only include: (i) That the disclosing entity

24 has disclosed the   vehicle owner’s name and address pursuant to a

25 request made under this   section; (ii) the date that the disclosure was

26 made; and (iii) that   the vehicle owner has five days from receipt of

27 the notice to contact   the disclosing entity to determine the occupation

28 of the requesting   party.

29 (b) Except as provided   in (c) of this subsection, the only

30 information about the   requesting party that the disclosing entity may

31 disclose in response to   a request made by a vehicle owner under (a) of

32 this subsection is   whether the requesting party was an attorney or

33 private investigator.   The request by the vehicle owner must be

34 submitted to the   disclosing entity within five days of receipt of the

35 original notice.

36 (c) In the case of a   vehicle owner who submits to the disclosing

37 entity a copy of a   valid court order restricting another person from

SSB 5182.PL p. 2

1 contacting the vehicle   owner or his or her family or household member,

2 the disclosing entity   shall provide the vehicle owner with the name and

3 address of the   requesting party.

4 (5) Any person who is   furnished vehicle owner information under

5 this section shall be   responsible for assuring that the information

6 furnished is not used   for a purpose contrary to the agreement between

7 the person and the   department.

8 (6) This section shall   not apply to requests for information by

9 governmental entities or   requests that may be granted under any other

10 provision of this title   expressly authorizing the disclosure of the

11 names or addresses of   vehicle owners.

12 (7) This section shall   not apply to title history information under

13 RCW 19.118.170.

14 (8) The department   shall charge a fee of two dollars for each

15 record returned   pursuant to a request made by a business entity under

16 subsection (1) of this   section and deposit the fee into the highway

17 safety account.

18 NEW SECTION. Sec. 2.   This act takes effect January 1, 2014.

— END —

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SB 5182 Update April 17th 2013

Just today I am happy to report that SB 5182 has passed the house 96-1-1  One excused from voting. Next stop is at the Governor’s office for signing it into law. The bill changes are scheduled to take effect on January 1st 2014. extra time was asked for by DOL to allow for programming changes.

On a side note I have also discovered that DOL and DOR are getting a new database system which may be the real reason that DOL has asked for extra time to implement this change. This will also eliminate the problem of communication between the agencies with the Insurance renewal Licensing problem we seem to always run into.

This bill changes the way the disclosure is made when accessing information using the IVIPs system, The changes are that the disclosure letter still goes out but does not give out your name or address or profession, requires the R/O to contact DOL in writing within 5 days if they want to know who their information was given to, When DOL receives such a request the only information given out at that point to the R/O is weather it was given to a Private Investigator or Attorney and still does not give them your name or address. The only exception to that is where there is a valid no contact court order in place and the R/O provides a valid copy of that order to DOL, then DOL will release the name and address on file to the R/O so that they can make contact the requesting party to verify information and inquire about any court order violations.

Notification is still given but does not disclose your information, so consideration on the Investigators part to access this data base and weather it may jeopardize an investigation or not would still need to be considered before doing so, depending on the type of case you are working on. This allows us to open the use of this data base as a more useful tool to the Investigation industry, but remember as part of the bill the fees are increased only for each return that is  accessed and you only get a charge if you access this information by opening up a return on the list and not for each Jane doe return that comes back on the initial page.

SB 5182 Update

Well I have been very busy with our bill working very closely and with Grant Nelson, without Grant we would not have kept moving on in Olympia, Thank you Grant.

Since my last post we have gone through two committees, and several trips to Olympia. We passed the House Judicial Committee and then the bill was referred to the House Transportation Committee which is a fiscal committee, and as of today at around 4:35 PM we passed the House Transportation Committee 30-0 vote. !!!!  Way to go. Only one committee member was absent/excused today.

The next stops are at the House Rules Committee, then onto the full House floor for a vote, then onto the Governor’s Office .

Lots of work still to be done, each stop takes a lot of time and work and communication, and we have to pass every stop along the way to get onto the next. We are looking good so far.

This is by far the furthest we have ever gotten in this effort, It is with the combined communication efforts of everyone involved and gaining the support of the DV advocates that has helped us get this far this year and communicating with any other stakeholders involved in answering their questions. Many things and conversations have come up along the way and we are still not done yet.

I would encourage your continued support as we still are looking to collect funding to continue our efforts. Thanks to all of those who have contributed so far financially it is very much appreciated. We still have a ways to go.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions;

Investigations@asiwashington.com

John Tost

President

 

BB 5182 Update

Good news, a few minutes ago the Senate approved our bill passing the Senate with only one Nay vote.

We have good momentum to keep this issue going. Now it will go to the House. I will let you know what committee it gets assigned to but we think it may be referred to the transportation committee.

Remember to donate to the legislation fund by mail or online at www.pnai.com and thank you all for your continued donations and support on this issue.

Moving forward toward  success

SB 5182 Update

Fellow members and PI’s and followers of our bill 5182 information:

Our bill passes unanimously from the Senate Executive Session on Feb 19th.  February 21st was the deadline and last day for bill’s passing committees, any bill that did not get out of committee died today, We are still alive!

The next step is for review in the Senate Rules Committee, which if a formality, Then is goes on to be scheduled on the calendar for the full Senate Vote. I will update you more about that as we get closer and let you know what happens. This should take place within the next two weeks. We passed last year in the Senate and I see no reason not to pass again this year.

We have the support of all stakeholders involved in this issue this year and have addressed everyone concerns involved.

Thank you to those who have graciously donated funds in support of our efforts. Please continue to donate funds to the IVIPs account to support this action and to keep it moving on so that we may finally have success this year in getting our legislation passed.

John Tost

HB 5182 pretaining to vehicle registration owner information

Bill Link

AN ACT Relating to the disclosure of vehicle owner information; and reenacting and amending RCW 46.12.635.

Here is the bill link if you would like to follow along.

I will be asking our members and other PIs to write a letter or send e-mails to the legislators of their districts who are members of the committees where our bill will be heard. More information coming soon.

 

Thanks,  JT

IVIPs 2013

We are working hard already for you and we now have a bill number and sponsors for 2013. There are also many members who have not paid their 2013 dues. Remember to support our legislative efforts and your association by renewing your 2013 dues now.

We now have a bill number for 2013

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5182&year=2013

Stay tuned for updates posted here as we move along or contact me via e-mail if you have any questions. Investigations@asiwashington.com

www.asiwshington.com

 

John Tost  VP

A Word From the PNAI Vice President

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SB 6075

Just a quick update on our bill that after  much long and continued efforts,  it just passed the full Senate this morning and soon to be on its way to be scheduled to start the process in the House.

Thank you for all who helped get us this far and continuing our efforts to get this important issue resolved for our industry.

Also if you have not contributed to support our efforts here, we still need your support by donating funds through the PNAI Google checkout or by sending in your donations. Thank  you to all who have donated so far and I look forward to continuing the efforts to get through the House.

John Tost

 PNAI /VP